Translation


WaterWired Google Search

May 2012

Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
    1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31    
My Photo
Blog powered by TypePad
Member since 12/2006

Favorite Blogs

  • Acequias and Adjudication
    From Eric Perramond: a blog on water rights in New Mexico.
  • Aguanomics
    The economics of water (and some other stuff), courtesy of economist David Zetland.
  • Alltop Water
    An aggregation of the top water blogs and their five most recent posts - all in one place!
  • Aquafornia
    Aqua Blog Maven's awesome California water blog. Everything you need to know about CA water issues, and more!
  • Authentically Wired
    Water and a lot more from Paul F. Miller.
  • AWRA
    The water resources blog of the American Water Resources Association.
  • Blue Living Ideas
    Blue Living Ideas is the ultimate Web resource for information, tips, news, and events related to Earth’s most precious resource — Water.
  • Building Bridges
    Anna Warwick Sears, Executive Director of the Okanagan Basin Water Board in British Columbia, provides an insider's view of water management.
  • California Water Blog
    A biologist, economist, engineer and geologist walk onto a bar…From the Center for Watershed Sciences at UC-Davis.
  • Campanastan
    That's 'Campana-stan', or 'Place of Campana', formerly 'Aquablog'. Michael Campana's personal blog, promulgating his Weltanschauung.
  • Chance of Rain
    Journalist Emily Green's take on water issues.
  • Chronicles of the Hydraulic Brotherhood
    The personal blog of Lloyd G. Carter, former UPI and Fresno Bee reporter, attorney, and California water observer for many years.
  • City Brights: Water By Numbers
    Peter Gleick's thoughts about the water challenges facing the world.
  • ClimateChangeWaterBlog
    Global travels in freshwater climate adaptation from John H. Matthews.
  • Cool Green Science
    The conservation blog of The Nature Conservancy. More than a dozen science and policy experts blogging away!
  • Ecocentric
    A blog about food, water and energy.
  • Great Lakes Law
    Noah Hall's blog about - what else - all things wet and legal in the Great Lakes region!
  • GrokSurf
    George J. Janczyn opines on water, environment, technology, law and politics in the San Diego area.
  • H2ONCoast
    Rob Emanuel blogs about water, watersheds, ecology and community in the Pacific Northwest.
  • Hydro-Logic
    Matthew Garcia reports on hydrology and water resources in the news and science media.
  • International Water Law Project
    Gabriel Eckstein, Director of the IWLP at Texas Tech University, comments on international and transboundary water law and policy.
  • JAWRA
    From Ken Lanfear, the editor of the Journal of the American Water Resources Association.
  • John Fleck
    Science writer at the Albuquerque Journal. Great stuff on climate, water, and more.
  • Legal Planet: Environmental Law and Policy
    From the UC-Berkeley and UCLA law schools, it highlights the latest legal and policy initiatives and examines their implications.
  • Living in Actively Moving Water
    Chris Corbin blogs about water rights and water markets.
  • Oklahoma Water Law
    Tulsa attorney Jim Milton provides information on Oklahoma water law and related news: litigation, water transfers, contracts, and more!
  • On The Public Record
    A 'low level civil servant who reads a lot of government reports writes about California water and related topics.
  • Rainbow Water Coalition
    From Todd Jarvis. A non-partisan, neutral perspective supporting diversity in the color of water. A blog mostly about greywater.
  • Random Groundwater Notes
    From Thomas Harter at UC-Davis:"Grundwasser" [groondvusr], German, n. groundwater, water below the surface of the earth
  • Wettit - the water reddit
    Water blog with tons of news items, other blogs, etc.
  • Riparian Rap
    Steve Gough on river geomorphology and the business, politics, and science of river ecosystem conservation.
  • Rising Tide
    The blog of Ned Breslin, Water for People's CEO, one of the world best thinkers on WaSH (water, sanitation, and hygiene) issues.
  • Southwest Water Economics
    The 'other' Aquadoc, Bruce K. Darling, is back blogging from the Lone Star State after a hiatus of almost two years.
  • The Reef Tank
    More than just a resource for reef hobbyists, but for those concerned about climate change, oceans, and water conservation.
  • The Water Blog
    From the Portland, OR, Water Bureau.
  • The Water Law
    From Alex Basilevsky - legal issues impacting water rights and the water industry.
  • Thirsty in Suburbia
    Gayle Leonard documents things from the world of water that make us smile: particularly funny, amusing and weird items on bottled water, water towers, water marketing, recycling, the art-water nexus and working.
  • WaSH Resources
    New publications, web sites and multi-media on water, sanitation and hygiene (WaSH).
  • Waste, Water, Whatever
    Elizabeth Royte's ('Bottlemania', 'Garbage Land') notes on waste, water, whatever.
  • Water 50/50
    From Jay Famiglietti at UC-Irvine. Fifty lectures in fifty weeks: The 2012 Birdsall-Dreiss Distinguished Lectureship. A global lecture tour delivering the message about our changing water cycle, groundwater depletion, and the future of freshwater availability.
  • Water For The Ages
    Abby, another PNWer, writes about global water issues with passion and concern.
  • Water Matters
    News from the Columbia University Water Center.
  • Water SISWEB
    From UC-Davis water students. More than just a blog, it's a water resources community social bookmarking site. The users run the show, and all can participate.
  • Water Words That Work
    From Eric Eckl, a communications and marketing expert for environmental and other progressive causes.
  • Waterblogged
    Shaun McKinnon of the Arizona Republic.
  • Watercrunch
    The sound when people and water collide. A curious blend of water, infrastructure, history, and science. Broadcasting from Clemson, SC.
  • WaterCulture
    David Groenfeldt adds value to water policies.
  • Watering the Desert
    Aptly-titled blog by CJ Brooks, a lawyer-hydrologist-geologist from Tucson, AZ.
  • WaterWired
    All things fresh water: news, comment, and analysis from hydrogeologist Michael E. Campana, Professor at Oregon State University.
  • Western Water Blog
    The 'mystery blog' about Western USA water issues. What more can I say?
  • Wisdom in Water, Please...
    Wayne Bossert, who manages a groundwater district in Kansas, provides his wisdom on water issues.
  • xAnalytical
    Doug Walker's xAnalytical blog:Turning Data and Information into Knowledge

Campanastan Google Search

« Six Water Solutions for the Southwest USA; Lake Mead Tunnel | Main | UN Report: Aid Donors Should Focus on Water - Amen! »

Tuesday, 21 October 2008

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341bf80a53ef0105359baa10970c

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference The Cascades 'Water Farm' Revisited:

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

John DeVoe

Mike,

You characterized the article in the Oregonian as "excellent" in your post. Some of the shortcomings of the article may have resulted from Milstein's word choices and editing, I will grant you that. However, the article failed to note that, in large part, Cascades groundwater is already appropriated. That is a serious flaw in the article.

Of course the "cognoscenti" knows about Grant's work and Cascades groundwater. I don't know if I qualify as a wonk or not, but my point stands that we are already regulating the heck out of this water in places like the Deschutes and Klamath. Again, why will no one mention the inconvenient fact of the Deschutes Basin Groundwater Mitigation Program??

As to external threats, unless we decide to override prior appropriation, those external threats are going to encounter a very strong property rights based reaction if there are attempts to export previously appropriated water. That's not a commerce clause issue, it's a property rights issue.

As for the Columbia, that is an entirely different issue that the article did not touch on and that we will deal with at the appropriate time.

I think the OWRD/USGS article got it right. It's pretty much the same response that my organization was prepared to write. Glad that you posted it here.

Michael

Dear John,

Thanks for your comment. I appreciate your taking the time.

I speak only for myself here and not for Gordon Grant.

As for deliberately supporting an agenda to support external basin transfers, I am unsure where you get that idea. The fact that I say that people may want to use the water does not mean I support that use.

And, as for failing to understand the context, I would submit that you are the one who fails to understand the context: that 20 or 30 years hence, someone may come knocking at Oregon's door looking to tap into the Cascades or the Columbia River. If we do not know how much we have and what stresses it can endure, how can we protect it?

My former home state of New Mexico faced this dilemma over 20 years ago when El Paso wanted to pump New Mexico's ground water and pipe it to Texas. Do you think that cannot happen here? Think "commerce clause" of the U.S. Constitution.

I have been amazed at how many Oregonian "waterwonks" are oblivious to external threats to Oregon's water or who are, but have told me not to bring this stuff up lest someone think that there is "water for the taking up here". Ah,"The Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome!

Let me just remind you that the "Western water cognoscenti" knew about Grant's findings long before they hit the popular media. So maybe we should just tell Gordon not to publish his stuff.

And they also know the flow of the Columbia River.

John DeVoe

Sorry folks, the Oregonian really missed it with this article. Let me count the ways this was NOT an excellent article:


Many rivers already depend on this system. Many users are already relying on this system based on their use of groundwater and the rivers that depend on the system. This water is not some new find.

The state has been regulating this system and its components for almost 80 years. Don't take my word for it, ask the OWRD. Heck, ask the USGS. Apparently the Oregonian won't publish the joint OWRD-USGS response to this article.

Grant and Campana just don't understand the context here, or they are deliberately ignoring it to serve an agenda that supports out of basin transfers.

Here are specfific issues with the article:

"The secret's out: Tons of water . . ." This system is not a secret. Oregon is already regulating parts of it. The term "tons" may be factually true but in common language it conveys an abundance that ignores the many existing demands on several parts of this system.

"Secret stockpile" The system is not a secret and suggesting it is a stockpile connotes it's a reservoir we can draw on. That is not true given existing uses, including instream and out of stream uses of this system.

"Exceptionally big resource here and someday somebody may want to use it" It's already being used, quite heavily and to the point of extensive regulation, in some parts of the state. Deschutes Mitigation Program anyone?

"Volume of water is difficult to fathom" Conveys unwarranted perception of abundance. This sounds to me like the way we used to describe forest resources before we got real about the limits.

"Oregon's reservoir is still brimming" Not in the Deschutes, where we already have a mitigation program in place for new uses of this same groundwater - or in the Klamath, where surface flows are intimately tied to groundwater.

"Because so much water is left underground, plenty is left to flow out in the summer" Again, an unwarranted suggestion of abundance. This is a qualitative, unscientific statement. Certainly the article made no distinction between eastside water availability and westside water availability. Further, if you look deeper, some of the water that OWRD says is "available" on the westside is only available because when ODFW applied for instream water rights for fish, those applications were reduced for non-scientific reasons.

The article entirely fails to discuss the Deschutes mitigation program.

Improved water management is the way forward, not extensive development of Cascades groundwater. Water is not Oregon's oil. It is not a replacement for
unsustainable past timber revenues, it is not a substitute for rational budgets and taxation in this state and it is not wasted when it provides extensive ecosystem services to the citizens of Oregon without charge.

David Zetland

First thing -- make sure that laws on g/w withdrawal and adjudication are up to date, i.e., limited exports based on sustainable yield.

Second -- Mulroy's sending a pipe right over ("because if people gotta live somewhere, it may as well be in our tax district.")

Todd Jarvis

Bottled water companies such as Nestle probably already know about this source and many others like it in the Cascades as they have their own staff of over 10 groundwater hydrologists with Ph.D.s and consultants on the prowl for new sources. 30,000 gpm springs are not uncommon in the western US and don't get much attention from Oregon bottlers. The Oregon bottled water companies target springs that discharge over 100,000 gpm. Read all about it:

http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060926/BIZ0102/60926002

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been saved. Comments are moderated and will not appear until approved by the author. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment

Comments are moderated, and will not appear until the author has approved them.

Visitors

  • Visitors
Featured in Alltop
TheReefTank
proudly awards
this site as
Recommended Reading
Please vote for it
in the community!





Vote for us!

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner

Find the best blogs at Blogs.com.

WWW sites